As many of my vast readership know, I love turtlenecks. One problem I face when shopping for turtlenecks is finding a good one where the neck is snug around mine. Not tight. But definitely not flopping around all over the place. I don't believe that a turtleneck's neck should sag on a person's neck, but rather stay upright. Now, I realize that it would probably be easier to find a more snug neck if I didn't have to buy size Large because my belly is not proportional with the rest of my body. And I have longer than normal arms, too. So, I'm stuck with a Large, and often the necks are just that. When my neck is swimming in a turtleneck's tubular top, I sometimes fold it down. But that's not the way that I like to wear them. Nice and snug.